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Teacher on iBook for education
Friday, May 4, 2001 @ 1:05pm

Steve Wood, a 52-year-old elementary teacher, believes that "Apple Education probably is dead." "The education world was primed and waiting for Steve Jobs to sweep them away with insanely great products and pricing. Instead, they got an [iBook] update featuring Apple's long-standing premium pricing."



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HORSES*#T! 34064


I'm so tired of this silly "point." Why? Take this quiz:

1. What do you call a Word document under Mac OS? Windows?

2. What is a JPEG file called under MacOS? Windows?

3. What do you use to store files under MacOS? Windows?

4. What is the key command to make text bold under MacOS? Windows?

5. What does double-clicking a file or folder accomplish under MacOS? Windows?

See where this is going? Unless you're trying to teach an entire school full of students to grow up to be NT programmers, this point is a total load of crap.

Give a child a PC, and he computes for a day. Give him a Mac, and he computes for life.

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all I have to say is... 34066
"Boy, I couldn't have been more incorrect." that statement alone is worth discontinuing reading the write up. who is this I person and what is he doing comparing himself to people like Jobs! this dude is a total magilacutty!
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Who Is This Guy? 34067
What a totally stupid article. Go ahead and buy your PC's and let us hear how much all the tech support is costing you a year or two from now.
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Compare 34074
I challenge any of you to go to Dell's education site, and Apple's education store online, and compare the prices of a base line iBook to a baseline Inspiron. The first thing you will have to do, is configure the Inspiron and bring it up to par with the iBook, and then you will notice that it will cost hundreds of dollars more. All I added was a 4MB video adapter, 10GB hdd, and firwire support. It is amazing how anybody could make any mistake as to which is a better deal!
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Rant.... 34079
Shut up you naysaying dickheads. You've said the same thing for years and it's old, boring and tiresome. SHUT UP!
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RE: Steve Wood is right 34082
An earlier poster made some completely outlandish comments which I cannot bear to let stand unchallenged:
I've used a Macintosh since the 128K days and still use them today. However, if you look at the state of the solution posed by PC vendors to educators, I'm afraid I must concur with Steve Wood that for a long term solution a Windows based PC makes the most sense for a school system.

Point 1) Macintosh market share is now 1.9%, while Windows-based PCs command a market share in excess of 85%. Educators have as one of their goals for computers-in-the-classroom education to teach children the mechanics of operating a computer. How can such an educator justify using a niche tool when these children are facing a Windows world?

Where exactly is the 1.9% figure coming from? Apple's market share hardly dipped quite that low even in the bad old days of 95-97. Besides, computers in classrooms are learning tools. They are not their so that students learn to operate computers. The technological details need to take a back seat to education. Macs are much better suited to this purpose (and I say this as an NT admin in higher-ed).

Point 2) That using Macintosh is cheaper in the long run. Will it is true that a single Macintosh will require less tech support over its lifespan than a single Windows-based PC, once you factor in several school requirements this cost differential disappears. School districts like to be legal in terms of software. With all of the dramatic changes in the Macintosh software environment over the last decade, the Macintosh's ability to run very old software has degraded considerably compared to the PC. Only a small percentage of the software from the 1980s runs without issues on the Mac, while the vast majority of 1980s software runs fine on the latest Windows OS and hardware. This means that software upgrade costs are higher on the Macintosh, and can constitute a large percentage of a school's computer budget. This says nothing about any custom software crafted by schools and teacher, updates to which will require sizable investment of time and money.

Quite the reverse is true. MacOS provides MUCH better backwards software compatability. Heck, MacPaint 1.0 will run under OS X!!!!! Old DOS or Win 3.1 programs seldom run properly under Windows 2000.

Also, Macs tend to have the swiss army knife approach to system configurations. This ties the hands of schools that would like to save money by having specialized computers for given tasks. Every school I've worked for had an A/V lab or section where the video cameras were kept. There is where the computers need firewire and more powerful configurations; other computers in the school have simpler requirements.

This is actually a well-reasoned point. If all you are doing is using word, surfing the web, and checking email, any old box will do (until you factor in TCO, where Apple
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Responsibility misplaced 34095
High schools should require the purchase of a computer, like most colleges... use standard formats such as PDF, & HTML, & use x-plat apps, & let the students & their parents choose what they want.

Alternatively, the classes could be separated into those with their own computers vs. communal school-owned ones.
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dumb article 34097
I think Mr. Wood has got his arguments upside down. He seems to think that Apple should get into the commodity PC race and start to price gouge. Then, he might argue, if they are price and feature competitive, they might compete. This is backwards for 2 reasons: first, from a mac-user perspective, if macs don't provide added value, who cares whether schools buy macs or Dells? They're the same. Second, from a IT perspective, if macs and dells are equivalent, buy Dells because are the common choice (and no one gets fired for buying Dells).

Apple can't win trying to compete for the low end. It must provide added value. That's what the new line of iBooks provide.

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Technology delusions 34099
If this guy's idea of a wonderful technology program is Accelerated Reader, I feel SORRY for the kids he teaches. Heck, give 'em a piece of paper and let them skill and drill themselves to death. This lack of vision is the reason that the educational system in this country is in real trouble. We need to realize that the TOOLS are what make the difference....kids don't give a hoot about platform. The features on the new ibooks are great. As for Dell, we priced comparable machines based on like specs and the Mac came out ahead. Apple....get on the stick and get aggressive with your marketing. You have to let the masses know how superior your tools are. I do not see ANY ads in the education journals that decision makers read. I know that this traditional medium may seem mundane, but this is reality.
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My Reply 34101
This is my reply to the author:Steve,

I just read your article on Apple Education being dead, and I have to wonder if you really did any research on the iBook pricing comparisons before you wrote the article up. My girlfriend needs to purchase a laptop for College next year, and we did tons of research comparing laptops. She is a Windows user too, so she considers buying a Mac laptop with great hesitation. We went to IBM and Dell's education stores on the web to compare prices. I definately suggest you do the same because what you will find is that at every configuration price point for the iBook (I think there are 4 different ones), the iBook beats the Dell and Compaq hands down. In fact, the iBook with 128MB of RAM and a CDRW came out to $1549 in the Apple Store for education. A similarly equipped Dell came out $1959. The difference? Firewire still wasn't included, Ethernet was not built in, no wireless built-in antenna, no dual-USB, no iMovie, the chasis is 12x10, 6.2 pounds, and a lot bigger than the iBook...did I mention its not as durable for a school enviornment as an Apple iBook in polycarbonate plastic? The Dell also had a 700Mhz Celeron and 66Mhz system bus, which is easily toasted by the iBook's 500Mhz G3 and 256K on-chip cache. The only plus side for the Dell was that the screen was 14". But why would a 7 year old kid in elementary school, or my girlfriend who has small hands, want to carry a huge portable like the Dell around school like that everyday? The IBM was even more competitive with the Apple, but it was over $3000! My girlfriend was astonished about the iBook because she always thought Apple products commanded a huge premium too. So I find your article to be mostly false, and lacking real research. Just because everyone stereotypically thinks that Apple products command a price-premium does not mean its actually true. As college students, my girlfriend and I find the iBook to be a steal at this price for education!


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